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Re-evaluating the Marlins and Blue Jays Trade

February 9, 2013 in Offseason

110503_chone_figginsThe Marlins recently signed Chone Figgins to a minor league contract. This guy, back in 2009, was an MVP candidate for the Angels as he was a one-man wrecking crew getting on base, stealing bases, and scoring runs. His stint in Seattle, however, was a disaster.

One of the heavy criticisms this offseason has been that the Marlins had a fire sale and shipped off their best players for nothing in return. Once the dust settled, the Marlins drastically improved their farm system (ranked as high as 5th by MLB.com) and their future. They lost established players like Josh Johnson, Emilio Bonifacio; they lost high-profile free agents like Mark Buerhle, Jose Reyes; they even lost a horrible contract mistake like John Buck. Yet a lot of energy was spent tongue-lashing the Marlins for this gutting of big money and claims were instantly made that this team was facing a horrible 2013 and worse future. Ricky Nolasco wanted to be moved. Giancarlo Stanton, the franchise corner stone, publicly expressed his frustration and doubt of this franchise.

One of the pieces of the trade that frustrated me was losing Bonifacio. Yes, this guy drove me crazy, but he matured and became a formidable asset (to finally make up for the trading of Josh Willingham) that helped rebuild the team speed the Marlins have been known for. Yet now, in Figgins, the Marlins may have found his replacement at a valuable price tag. The only risk the Fish have is, well, none. He is signed to a minor league deal and if he makes the team, they will only owe him the league minimum. If Figgins returns to his pre-Seattle days, he will prove to be a boon to this team. If not, well, they can easily dump him and move on. Yet in Figgins, the Marlins illustrate the exact kind of reclamation project they are about these days.

As for the rest of this trade, well, consider:

  • Can Adeiny Hechavarria replace Jose Reyes at SS? Defensively he definitely will – the only question is, can the Cuban national hit?
  • Rob Brantly will hit better than John Buck and if all the buzz about Brantly’s defense is accurate, then this is a win for the Fish.
  • Can the Marlins find a way to replace the 393.2 IP of Mark Buerhle and Josh Johnson? They acquired more arms from the Blue Jays to stock up their farm system but they will not replace the experience either Buerhle or Johnson had. That said, there is potential in young arms like Jose Fernandez and Justin Nicolino to slide in as early as this season. I’m betting on Fernandez to make a splash. The Marlins did snag a couple of veteran arms that could get some time in the rotation, but even still there looks to be a plan in place to go with a youth movement and see where it takes this team.

If the Marlins are simply going to replace what they have lost, and do it cheaper, then this team is still a 69 win/93 loss team but at a more affordable price. And if winning has anything to do with the direction of this franchise, then they will be able to improve their record and do it at a savings and with an eye towards the future. Can they do that with the given personnel? We’ll definitely find out and a signing like the Chone Figgins signing could play a role.

I Like Turtles: Marlins Do the Small Things Right

January 21, 2013 in Offseason

Jeffrey Loria ExposThe turtle survives not by any particularly noticeable natural ability. Not on account of its strength, speed, or any other tangible asset. Indeed, no great poetic alliterations or epics are dedicated to the turtle. No great works of art. The turtle survives because of its awareness. Once it is threatened, it withdraws into its protective shell and allows its predators to attack, waste their energy, and then give up and walk away. When one looks at Jeffrey Loria, one can’t help but think of a turtle. His facial features seem to suggest those of a turtle – and this isn’t to say this is a negative quality. Think of the nature of a turtle – they are cautious, slow. When attacked, they retract within their shell. They hide.

Think about the Marlins and their recent moves. The rumbling for years has been that Hanley Ramirez was a prima donna who could sink a clubhouse. Finally, after a couple of seasons he was dealt. Then the rest of the players acquired last season were dealt. The turtle withdrew in his shell and he won’t be coming out until the coast is clear again.

Let’s face it, it wasn’t the spending of the money that was the problem. It was the allocation of the money on players who didn’t perform. The most glaring of these examples is John Buck and Heath Bell. So the turtle, feeling the shadow of a threat pulled the trigger on a deal.

I Like TurtlesYet, there is something the Marlins always seem to do well, and that is comb through other’s trash and find gems. Like a turtle, they, too, live close to the ground. Dan Uggla was a Rule 5 pick. Dontrelle Willis. Jorge Cantu. Todd Jones. Justin Ruggiano. They always seem to find guys who can contribute after being written off. They also seem to find guys who can over-achieve within a defined role. John Cangelosi, Darren Daulton. Lenny Harris. Mike Mordecai. Wes Helms.

Right now the Marlins are adding again using small parts. Nick Green, Matt Downs, Kevin Kouzmanoff, Austin Kearns. They’re bringing back Ryan Webb. They signed Mike Wuertz to a minor league contract.

This is the true nature of this franchise. They will not be able to spend their way to the top – they seem almost uncomfortable with this spotlight. They are more comfortable with tinkering, tweaking. Gradually building. No big sweeps, no high risk, high reward. They are a cautious bunch, moving slowly like the turtle. The difference is that they can afford to keep the players they built up – such as a Giancarlo Stanton. They can retain the players that they had to deal in the past – like Mike Lowell, Josh Beckett, MIguel Cabrera, and even Dontrelle Willis.

So liken the Fish to a reptile. In Loria they have the nature of a turtle, a deliberate and cautious creature that will not venture a short term risk for long term security. Expect the Marlins to continue to tinker and build. Yet once they get to the top, expect them to hold it through caution and great awareness.

 

John Buck is the Epitome of What the Marlins Did Wrong

November 21, 2012 in Offseason

Want a better handle on how to assess the direction the Marlins are moving in? Look at John Buck.

Back in the 2010 offseason, the Marlins leaped onto the hot stove scene by signing John Buck to a 3 year contract worth $18M at 12:01AM. The catcher had a great season in Toronto, hitting .281 with 20 home runs – the best production of his career. When he signed with the Marlins, he was looking forward to catching for a young, hard throwing Marlins’ staff while also looking to build on his offensive production.

Yet, there was never an emphasis placed on Buck’s offensive production by the Marlins brass. They were expecting his experience, defense, and play calling to be what was needed as the Marlins were reportedly focusing on pitching and defense. Coming out of the 2010 season, the Marlins were 80-82 and could have made the playoffs if their relief pitching held up (27 blown leads). They hoped Buck would help solidify their pitching and provide occasional fireworks.

In fact, the Marlins may not have been able to make a play for Buck if not for the plight of Dan Uggla – who had wanted more money and the Marlins were unable to agree to terms. They dealt Uggla to the Braves for Omar Infante and Mike Dunn which helped them focus on defense and pitching while the power of Uggla was lost. The money saved was tossed towards Buck’s contract.

But what is wrong with this deal? Why pay a guy $6M to provide defense behind the plate when you could get similar offensive and defensive production very easily for much less? Buck batted .192 with 12 home runs last season. He struck out 103 times in 343 ABs while only getting 66 hits. That is horrific offensive production that is not worth $6M a year, no matter what kind of magic he may produce behind the plate. Which was not up to snuff – in 2011 Buck had a caught stealing percentage (CS%) of 17% and last season his CS% improved to 28%. In his first three years at Kansas City, Buck was throwing out base stealers about 34% of the time. Rob Brantly, picked up in the trade with the Tigers for Omar Infante and Anibal Sanchez, had an 18% CS% in a much smaller sample size but also at a fraction of the cost.

In John Buck, the Marlins aimed at trying to get better by spending money on named players. The better option would have been to find better production in contracts with value. The Marlins had to shed assets in order to acquire payroll flexibility. The truth is, they may have been better off trying to go another season with Reyes and Buehrle on the roster, but they were not getting production from these players that drastically effected winning. It is best to deal out of the rut before bing stuck in one.

Not Safe At Home: An Analysis of the Marlins Trade With the Blue Jays

November 20, 2012 in Offseason

Some want to claim that this is the end of the line for the Marlins. That this deal will destroy their franchise and kill baseball in Miami once and for all. Others, a little more apologetically, urge caution and say that this deal does make baseball sense – if anyone is willing to listen to reason.

Somewhere in the middle is the truth.

Yes, the Marlins broke free of their three year watch period as issued by MLB. Accused of just trying to pocket their revenue sharing money, back in 2009 the Marlins books were being watched by officials. In the offseason of 2012 the Marlins happened to shed over $150M in payroll owed by the team through 2018 right after the eyes on them were removed. Coincidence?

The fans cry out for justice. They accuse Loria of trying to destroy the franchise. Some have even tried to issue a protest at Marlins Park this week, but so far, no serious press has been made of it. Their poor heartstrings were tugged on with these players and they are crying foul. They want their tax money back and the team to be tossed out.

But who’s to blame here? Is the front office? Should the owner and his diminutive stepson be vilified? What about the supposed promise made from the Marlins brass about not trading the big ticket players they acquired last season? Oh! The moral implications! How dare they break unwritten promises to professional athletes only here for one year! And on a team that managed to win 69 games nonetheless!

Everyone, calm down. One of the biggest culprits here is getting away scot-free – the fans of the Marlins. (Here’s a heavy-handed article that is not balanced, but does call out the fan base for a change.) You are as much to blame here as your owner, president, and GMs. But even that isn’t enough. The real problem has to do with perception and the funny history of baseball in south Florida.

First of all, you had a fire sale after the 1997 championship. That was due to Wayne Huizenga acting like a spoiled brat and wanted to take his ball and go home. So he did. And he kicked everyone out. Dave Dombrowski, a shrewd GM, was able to amass a lot of young talent that would become the core of the 2003 championship team. That you can call a success, if you choose to see it as a Phoenix-like story. Huizenga did a good thing though – he did strip the team down and sold it off (at a profit) and didn’t leave the cupboard bear. He also passed along some payroll flexibility to new owner John Henry, but locked him into a horrific lease that pretty much soaked up most of the revenue from the team.

Henry, failing to net a stadium, sold the team to Loria (via a shift of ownership from Montreal to Florida, while Henry moved on to Boston). The 2003 championship in the debut of the new manager looked significant but doubts harbored around Loria because of his past in Montreal. The team was dismantled in 2005 after winning 83 games because of revenue troubles, but it was hardly a fire sale like back in ’97. Still, with the suspicion abounding, Loria never got the fair treatment that say, a team like the Red Sox would get, when they decided to shed their payroll significantly this past season. Again, it’s all about perception.

The fans in Miami tend to be short-sighted at best. Overly emotional, vastly undereducated about the sports they supposedly love. The Heat only have a huge following because they had the greatest offseason in human history back in 2010. The Dolphins have the longest history, but even that team is not drawing as well as it used to. The Marlins? 18th in attendance – and that is with a brand new park and over $100M in payroll last season. And once again, perception wins out.

The fans don’t fully realize that you have to build a winner with a strong foundation. You have to have a core of players that can win and play the way your organization envisions – and you use free agency to fill the gaps to get that team over the hump. In 2003, the Marlins did just that getting Ivan Rodriguez as an experiment but also in trading for Ugueth Urbina to close games. The gambit worked and they got themselves a championship because the core players – Mike Lowell, Derek Lee, Luis Castillo, Miguel Cabrera, Josh Beckett, Brad Penny, Dontrelle Willis – were all developed by the Marlins and with a focus on winning as a team.

The big market teams try to build big – with big name free agents to “reload”. They also have deeper pockets and lots of revenue. If they mess up on a $100M contract, they can scratch around and eat the loss. A team like the Marlins still have a tighter margin of error and Loria’s assessment and reaction to scrap a team that cost $111M but only won 69 games is a bold one, but the right one. The contracts of the players being sent away are not ideal as there are many questions about whether or not those deals can be of fair value over the life of those contracts.

Is Jose Reyes worth another $96M for another 6 years? He has a history of being injured and his offensive production has never amounted to winning baseball (see his Mets years and his lone year as a Marlin). Mark Buehrle is 34 and owed another 3 years. What kind of a pitcher will he be by the end of his contract? Once again, these deals are also heavily backloaded which means they will be owed most of their money when they are most likely in decline as players. Why? John Buck? Well, he sucks. Plain and simple. Josh Johnson is in the final year of his contract but is arguably not worth $13M – you could have Zack Greinke for nearly that kind of dough (if you want to take a risk on a socially awkward ace). Emilio Bonifacio is a loss, but you have to give something to get something. You can always find more speed – Bonifacio was acquired for Josh Willingham, after all.

Again, this is all about perception. Fans, a majority of them only reacting to emotion, fail to see the bigger picture. This team is here to stay. Maybe Loria will be around, maybe not. The fact of the matter is this franchise is now worth significantly more than when he bought it – and that makes it a very attractive asset. The fans, however, complain that they want a major league team in their major league ballpark. And they are right – they deserve one and the ability to compete is much more greatly amplified because of the new park and increased revenue. Yet, we should also have a major league fan base with a major league turnout. Enough with the excuses. If people were going to games, despite the 69 wins, this team might actually think twice about alienating its fan base. Yet, there were few at the games so, what fan base would they really alienate?

So, at the end of the day, a baseball decision was made to try and rebirth this team. In order to do that, you need a strong core and you need more young talent to get that. You can regroup and build up through free agency – the Marlins did add Juan Pierre as a replacement for speed and leadoff hitting. The fact he is a familiar name (and played with Redmond) are all positives, too. He did hit .307 last year also.

The Marlins are not going to add huge names this offseason. Nor should they. It would make them out to be confused and possibly hypocritical. They need to target missing pieces to hold down the fort and make this team competitive for the next few years while they develop their young talents. Who is going to play 3B? Kevin Youkilis would be a nice addition, but not at the price he is trying to get. For the right price, he would be a nice fit, provide solid defense, experience, some leadership. Maybe some offense, but nothing like he used to provide. That said, there are much better options out there. Even the Red Sox might align with the Marlins’s view on this one.

The Marlins are making the tough call on this one, but they are getting it right and moving in the right direction. They are rebuilding their farm system, acquiring 3 of the Blue Jays top 10 prospects, and bringing them to their system, which already sports Christian Yelich and Jose Fernandez (both of whom are among the top 20 of all prospects throughout the entire league). The future is bright for the Marlins – they have an emerging farm system reloading with young talent and payroll flexibility. Heat fans can attest to the wonders of having payroll flexibility but you have to have the right targets in mind.

The foundation is laid, but the only question remains is that can the Marlins fan base perceive it? This is all about perception – and the front office cannot spend time trying to sell everyone on rebuilding with a young team. They have to go out and show that their turnaround is much quicker and that just shooting for 70 wins is not enough – but trying to buy a championship will not work either. Regardless, this team is here for the long haul and it is shaping up for a much more enduring build that last year’s free agent mercenaries.

Which brings us to one final point. Since when do teams have to be loyal to their free agent signings? If they signed them with the promise to win more games and play in games that matter, why should these professional athletes not be jettisoned when they don’t deliver? After all, players will quickly leave a team that developed them to chase more money. It isn’t like Reyes and Buerhle are not going to get paid (even though there is a significant tax increase heading to Toronto – yeah socialism!). And the fans? Please. Most of them just grabbed new jerseys because they said “Miami” on them. The glitz of getting big name free agents, although exciting, didn’t help the team win. We all should be chasing the bums out of town. All of them. The owner did that for us. It’s not enough, but it is a start.

Confused? Marlins Deal With Blue Jays Makes Sense When Put In the Right Perspective

November 14, 2012 in Offseason

So how do you repair a team fresh off a 93 loss season? You gut its roster and start over, right?

Normally, this is the kind of thing that you would expect from a professional franchise. Your team loses 93 games, is near the bottom in most major offensive categories (29th in runs scored, 24th in batting average, 26th in on-base percentage, 24th in slugging percentage), and you expect change. Actually, you demand it. You want to see your team make trades and start over with a new roster.

Forget for a second the franchise doing this business in the offseason and let’s keep our eye on the ball. The goal of every franchise is to win and to do this, you need players to perform to the maximum of their capacity. In fact, to use an old sports cliche, you want 110% from your players. You want overachievers –  keep this in mind, because this comes into play later.

Let’s start with the hysteria. Is it fair to say that this team is now toxic and destroyed? Judging by the reaction of its fan base, yes, it is. But it wasn’t like the fans were rushing out to support this team anyway – with a brand new state-of-the-art stadium planted right in the heart of Miami. It was like going into your front yard to get a fabulous steak dinner from a 5 star restaurant. For some reason, people chose to stay locked inside instead. Or perhaps they didn’t like steak that much to begin with (or couldn’t afford to pay for it, which is another story altogether). Sports fans in Miami are some of the worst anywhere. Sure, they talk a good game when their teams are winning – almost as annoyingly well as any NY’er – but do they support their teams? No. Just ask the Heat who only had to pull of the offseason of the century to get fans to come out for games. And let’s be  honest – most of the Marlin fans only showed up to get a peak at the new stadium. Or to sport an orange uni with “Miami” slapped across the front. (Orange, by the way, is the new teal – just sayin’.)

By the way, how many franchises have at least 2 MLB championships in their history? 20 teams in the 106 years of World Series history have done it. Since ’97, how many teams have won 2 championships or more? Only 5 teams: Yankees, Cardinals, Red Sox, Giants (2010 and 2012), and – you guessed it – the Marlins. Say what you want, but these franchises are all doing something right.

Now, what about all of the claims of conspiracy to destroy the south Florida market? Yes, it is true that Jeffrey Loria and Bud Selig have a checkered past, at best. They did successfully destroy the Montreal Expos market to move it to the Washington, DC market where it is to this day. Can it really be argued that keeping the team in Montreal was in the best interest of baseball? Or was moving it to Washington DC, with a shiny new stadium in the nation’s capital, a smarter move? Not excusing the means – there were lawsuits filed, but nothing that turned up with criminal action. That said, what would be the incentive for destroying the Marlins franchise?

Careful, this is where confusion sets in. It is that painful, troublesome little voice – called reason – shining through all of the emotional murkiness caused by hatred and fear. Yes, it is true that Jeffrey Loria has a shady past and should not be trusted but the fact of the matter is, they have a brand new stadium, which they didn’t pay for, and the Marlins franchise is at its peak value – despite this horrific trade. So, if his quest was to destroy baseball in Miami, he’s doing a poor job. And to do so now doesn’t make any sense because, where would the Marlins go? They won’t get a better situation than the one they have here in Miami. Contraction means elimination and Loria would not profit in this way.

So, if the Marlins have a proven track record, during its short history with two different regimes, and there is no real incentive to destroy their franchise (what profit would it bring?), then what the hell is going on here?

A big clue was revealed recently, but most just failed to see it. When Mike Redmond was announced as manager of the Marlins, the move was characterized as getting the Marlins back to “their roots”. The vision was to create a team of “overachievers”, nothing more.

Think about it. Who better to be placed in the maelstrom at this point than Mike Redmond? He witnessed the ’98 fire sale after the championship, and in fact benefitted from it as he got a regular gig with the Fish. He hung around and helped the team win a title in 2003 – under new ownership. That team did it by overachieving, something Redmond identifies with and apparently, so do the Marlins. They always have – and that is the point.

Don’t think so? Some telling quotes: here’s John Buck’s reaction to Ozzie Guillen’s firing and Redmond’s hiring:

“I think a lot of us didn’t want him to go for the simple fact we felt we were the ones who underachieved,” Buck said. “In our clubhouse we have the type of guys who aren’t going to deflect the blame on the manager. That’s what makes a lot of guys on our team special. We basically failed last year and we know it. We need to get better.”

And here is Larry Beinfest’s summary of the hiring of Redmond and why he was the guy:

The Marlins have ultimately turned to Redmond, Marlins president of baseball operations Larry Beinfest said, because they think he can get them back to the Marlins’ way “when the team outperformed our challenges.”

Two things to keep in mind: first, the revenue system of MLB is failing and second, it is more profitable for a team to win with overachievers than to underperform with big ticketed salary assets. With revenue sharing, ticket sales are not as big of a profit incentive as they might seem to be. Small market teams don’t draw that many fans anyway each night and the revenue from ticket sales is marginal at best. It is about creating other forms of revenue such as in concessions, memorabilia, parking, corporate sponsorships, TV revenue, and other means. The Marlins have a pretty good TV audience, by the way. Let’s not forget the Marlins were able to turn profits of reportedly $33M during the 2008 season despite paltry ticket sales and a horrible lease. You put enough solid pieces in there to work and see if they can get in position to compete and if they do, you take a shot by making a move.

Otherwise, there is no real incentive to spend lots of money because even that is not an assurance of winning. Just look at this past season’s teams and compare their winning percentages with their payrolls. Notice the Marlins were listed right above the San Francisco Giants. Look at where the Braves are. The Nationals. The Orioles. See a pattern?

This past offseason was a ruse – that is also the point. It was atypical of the Marlins strategy. They acted like noveau riche trying to make a splash and prove they were a legit franchise now. They got the big time manager. They bought up almost all of the big ticket free agents. They got flashy new uniforms for a brand new stadium. They even got new fans. None of it felt right though and none of it certainly played out right. This is a hard decision but in a sense, this franchise has rejected becoming another perennial version of the Mets, a team that tries to spend its way through its shortcomings. In fact, the Mets have even started to reject their past and came to the realization that you need to have a strong, solid foundation and that doesn’t require spending big time bucks either.

Teams like the Yankees have to spend big because they don’t develop young talent. They have no place to put them normally. They sign the big names and reload and they have to keep doing this because they have a fan base that is expansive, supportive, and with great revenue streams. The Mets try because they are NY and have a pretty good base to draw from, but it hasn’t been successful. In fact, the teams that spend the most rarely win the most and if you aren’t winning, with all of that overhead, what is the point?

Yes, you can accuse the Marlins of not caring about their fans reaction and you would be right. But let’s not be totally blind here, either. Loria has demonstrated time and time again that he is going to run a shoe-string budget and try to let his baseball people loose to find ways to compete. They know their market and they know what they have to work with. The only wild card this past season was the new stadium and perhaps they over-estimated the market’s reaction to it. Perhaps the jumped in too fast and now have to make the embarrassing choice of admitting it. Instead of continuing to honor these contracts, which the argument can and should be made are extremely risky, they decided to hit the reset button.

It’s not like it didn’t cost the Blue Jays anything either. They are taking on the salary of those contracts and they had to give up 3 of their top 10 prospects in their farm system.

Is this ideal? No. Should Miami fans be outraged? Sure. Should they have bought into the drastic makeover? No, it was an anamoly in comparison to this franchise’s history. It worked in 1997 – barely. But it didn’t work this past season and that is typical for a big market team to spend big money and lose (see Boston and their $170M+). The Marlins are on the books for about $20M for next season. If they turn around and spend another 30M+ this offseason, what then? If they don’t it will certainly sting but it shouldn’t surprise anyone. After all, it isn’t like they are breaking up a team that was poised for greatness. It vastly underachieved – or did it? Maybe it just wasn’t that good to begin with. Only time will fully tell. It just depends on how you see this deal and this franchise.

Indefensible: Marlins Trade 5 Starters to Blue Jays

November 13, 2012 in Offseason

Another Marlins’ offseason, another salary dumping fire sale. The rhetoric will be that the team needs to save money, it’s revenue and attendance figures didn’t match their anticipated projections. The team, which spent $191M last offseason, vastly underperformed, too. Ozzie Guillen, the manager who the Marlins greatly anticipated, didn’t deliver wins but instead problems and he was canned.

Hanley Ramirez, another clubhouse cancer, was dealt to the Dodgers and supposedly, the Marlins were done dealing shortly thereafter. They sent Anibal Sanchez and Omar Infante packing – to play for a World Series contender.

We’ve heard it all before. And I have tried to see the positive in this and have been able to make a defense of the Marlins’ moves in the past. No more. The line has to be drawn here and all of Miami – whatever remains of baseball fans or anyone with any shred of civic pride – needs to stand up and protest against Loria owning this team any longer.

Yes, the players that are being dealt under delivered. And yes, there are some real risks with those salaries and seeing the players never quite deliver. Is Jose Reyes really worth $108M? You might fare better in getting ARod to play SS for you – if you can pry him away from the Yankees. You certainly could make a better move by landing a guy like Josh Hamilton with something in that neighborhood – but who would want to come down here to play? Just one year after you make a splash with Reyes, Mark Buehrle, and Heath Bell signings, you trade them away?

Unless the Marlins announced that they have Josh Hamilton and Alex Rodriguez on their way down to Miami, there is virtually no good that can come of this. The Marlins have shredded their payroll yet again and all of this after they had a $515M brand new facility built by the taxpayers of Miami Dade County. This is the return on their investment? To go along with the bad parking and the questionable outfield sculpture, you now have a team with only 69 wins that has a worse prospectus for 2013. Is this a plan to create more revenue?

The Miami baseball market is dead or on life support. Either way, MLB has to step in here. Maybe there is something in the works. Maybe Loria is trying to gut the team to make it more marketable to another buyer. That would be a blessing in disguise but unless that happens, or some miraculous offseason splurge by the tight-fisted Fish, this latest move is disgusting and indefensible.